Hey @ttdtt I know what it's like to lose a valuable reference you heard/read in passing. I've done a little digging for you. David Splane hosted Broadcasting 12 when he did the "overlapping generation" spiel. You say he contradicted himself in a more recent Broadcasting episode. I've gone through all the episodes, and it appears that he's only ever hosted episode 12 (I could be missing something and he did appear on a later episode). Are you sure you heard him speak of the Joseph/Benjamin age gap again on the Broadcast? Or is it possible it was a Morning Worship clip, or something similar?
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Need help with a reference dealing with the Generations and SPLAINE
by ttdtt inwhen originally explaining the "new generations" splaine used the example of joseph and his brothers.. he backed up the time difference between the original anointed, and the new ones by using what he said was a big age difference between the youngest "joseph" and his oldest brothers.. then more recently in a jw broadcast - he said that there was not a big age difference between joseph and his oldest brother.. can any one help me find both those, please?.
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Judge orders Jehovah’s Witness to release molestation files
by cobweb inhttps://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/aug/30/citylights-judge-orders-jehovahs-witness-release/#.
judge orders jehovah’s witness to release molestation files.
eighteen years of horror in linda vista.
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Jesus wouldn't tolerate those who hindered the children coming to him. I think what WT is doing constitutes as GRIEVING THE HOLY SPIRIT... by their OWN F*CKING DOCTRINE. There's no salvation for these pedophile enabling maggots. And deep down, they know it. I think the GB have the mentality of, "if we're going down, then the rest of you are coming down with us."
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Pioneers Living With Married Couple
by msecodo inso ... situation:.
a baptized married couple, with no privileges that we know of, have opened their home to 2 unmarried regular pioneers because of the pioneers' financial issues (limited income).. - husband works from home.
- wife doesn't work and stays home or in service.
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@Drearyweather The elders might cite "brazen conduct" as their all-encompassing reason (eg: reg. pioneers didn't heed elders' counsel).
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JW.ORG logica: I don't get it
by Gorbatchov ina dutch saying is "am i that smart or are you so stupid".. watching this jw.org movie about god's name made me use it: .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njtimafdp7m.
jw broadcasting june 2015, 15 seconds cut.. geoffrey jackson is proud that jw.org is using god's name.. then he convinced that jw.org does not know exactly what god's name is.. then he convinced that jw.org uses the name jehovah because it's most common recognized in english.. is this reasonable, asks geoffrey... yes!
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For kicks, everyone should start calling him Joffrey Jackson. See if he gets frustrated with the mispronunciation. In all honesty, he'd probably choose to be called Sir Governing Body than Joffrey. Makes you think "Jehovah" would prefer we address him by his title, God, instead of this 13th century Frankenstein of a name.
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Help Finding Poster's Challenge
by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho inhey guys,.
i've been trying hard to locate a comment that was posted no longer than a few weeks ago (if that) by a poster providing a challenge for witnesses to find one scripture that states that we are still saved/have hope if we are outside of this "new covenant" that wt claims is for the 144,000 only.
the thread was to do with ways we can wake up a loved one and this particular poster (i can't remember who) gave a step-by-step guide to helping witnesses waking up using their own bible and doctrine.
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YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!! Thank you so much, @jaydee - the comment was on that thread!! @EyesOpenHeartBroken and @sir82, you knew exactly whose comment I was looking for. Massive thank you to everyone for putting their heads together to help me find @Perry's comment:
1. First, you must make the loved one admit that they are NOT PART of the New Covenant. Note: This may require reminding them that they do not partake of the emblems at the Memorial service.
2. Then, you must establish what the New Covenant is for. Matt. 26: 27 & 28 makes CLEAR that the New Covenant is FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS (not only govt. positions like the WT says).
3. Then go over to Hebrews 9:27 where it reads that we will all be judged AFTER we die.
4. Then, challenge your family member to find EVEN ONE New Testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while OUTSIDE of the New Covenant.
5. Tell them that when they find that scripture, you'd be happy to go with them to the Kingdom Hall. You can remind them of this condition again & again over time.
6. Be prepared to remind them that regardless of the time period a believer finds himself in, (pre trib, during, or post tribulation) , after the sacrifice at Calvary ALL get their sins forgiven the EXACT SAME WAY - through the blood covenant of Christ.
This is clear at Rev. 7: 14 which says of the great crowd: "they have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb". NOTE: Destination, ie. heaven or earth has nothing whatsoever to do with Justification (getting your sins forgiven).
Is. 64: 6 reminds us that not only are our sins unacceptable, but even our so-called righteous acts are unclean before God if not covered by the blood. - "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags". - KJV
7. Let your family member know that you are fearful of being condemned by God and so you are seeking protection through the blood of the lamb, similar to what the Israelites did on the first Passover in Egypt when they applied the blood of a lamb to the post and header of their doors to avoid being condemned.
Jesus once said that even if a person just looked at another with lust, they were guilty of fornication. Ask them if they ever did something like that. Ask them if they are concerned about their own judgment in light of Jesus' words.
Tell them again and again until they get it that the reason we all need a PERSONAL SAVIOR is because Hebrews 9: 27 states clearly that their will be a PERSONAL JUDGMENT.
Keep repeating your challenge over time about wanting to know how to get your sins forgiven while outside of the New Covenant. Remind them that they are the one that cannot answer this question, not you. Remind them that personal judgment is coming for all of us.
Confirming the fact that the rank and file JW does not have their sins forgiven, incredibly the WT printed this in 1938 WT pg. 104, 105: "
the "other sheep" are in a different condition .... not even justified".
Tell them that you want to be justified, made right with God.
Remind them that even the WT acknowledges that Jesus is the Mediator for ONLY those who are part of the New Covenant. He is not a Mediator for those outside of this arrangement - the rank and file JW. 4/1/79 WT p.31
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"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction." -- Feb 2017 Watchtower
by cognisonance infull stop.
(paragraph 12 -- feburary 2017 watchtower -- who is leading god's people today?
)so why then would any jw abide by harmful doctrines setup by the governing body (blood, shunning, the two-witness rule, etc)?
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This thread actually made me physically sick. Not because of you guys, but because I'm trying to stomach the idea that THESE are the notions from the GB that my parents accept, support and put their trust, loyalty and finances in. The talk outlines provided for the Regular Pioneer meeting is the stuff my already-ignorant mother will be lapping up. I'm about to cry in anger and frustration. *wildly starts punching molecules*
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Need help with a reference dealing with the Generations and SPLAINE
by ttdtt inwhen originally explaining the "new generations" splaine used the example of joseph and his brothers.. he backed up the time difference between the original anointed, and the new ones by using what he said was a big age difference between the youngest "joseph" and his oldest brothers.. then more recently in a jw broadcast - he said that there was not a big age difference between joseph and his oldest brother.. can any one help me find both those, please?.
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Looks like someone did a bad job 'Splaneing that New Light.
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Help Finding Poster's Challenge
by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho inhey guys,.
i've been trying hard to locate a comment that was posted no longer than a few weeks ago (if that) by a poster providing a challenge for witnesses to find one scripture that states that we are still saved/have hope if we are outside of this "new covenant" that wt claims is for the 144,000 only.
the thread was to do with ways we can wake up a loved one and this particular poster (i can't remember who) gave a step-by-step guide to helping witnesses waking up using their own bible and doctrine.
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You are such a gem, @days of future passed. I wish I could buy you a drink right now just to thank you for your efforts. This is the post you found, yeah?:
'How can the following be proved to be scriptural?
What possible evidence supports these teachings and policies?
1. Jesus surveyed all christian denominations and chose the "anointed" under Judge Rutherford for his approved church in the year 1919.
2. Charles Russell predicted 1914 was date for the return of Christ rather than Armageddon.
3. There are two classes of saved christians and the majority will not have a heavenly hope.
4. The bible is only written for the anointed and not the majority of christians who must, instead, turn to the Governing Body.
5. Jesus is NOT the mediator between Jehovah and the great crowd of worshippers but the Governing Body itself is.
6. Declaring apostasy when any member diaagrees with the men of the GB or the Elders who parrot their policies.
7. Branch committees and not local congregations decide who is a child molestor and who will be declared a predator. Notifying the police is not automatic procedure.
8. Declaring it a disfellowship offense for mothers to speak a greeting to DF'd children. Family must shun ex-members even if they aren't speaking out against the religion.
Where is your verification these Watchtower policies aren't just the opinions, prejudices and whims of ordinary human despots pretending to be the only true "channel" of the living God?'
Unfortunately, it's not the right one :(. The poster's challenge was so recent and it was a comment (not a thread started) pertaining specifically to the New Covenant and helping Witnesses see that unless they are a part of this group, they are without hope/salvation.
Come on guys... someone has to remember! I have this fantasy deep down that my father - a WT slave for decades who IS cerebral enough to value sincere doctrine - will take on this challenge and just MAYBE start having second thoughts about the WTBTS.
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Help Finding Poster's Challenge
by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho inhey guys,.
i've been trying hard to locate a comment that was posted no longer than a few weeks ago (if that) by a poster providing a challenge for witnesses to find one scripture that states that we are still saved/have hope if we are outside of this "new covenant" that wt claims is for the 144,000 only.
the thread was to do with ways we can wake up a loved one and this particular poster (i can't remember who) gave a step-by-step guide to helping witnesses waking up using their own bible and doctrine.
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@days of future passed At least my car keys show up when I change my son's diaper (that kid swallows everything). If he could sh*t out the answer to this missing post I'm looking for, I might thank the Lord for the best miracle yet.
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Help Finding Poster's Challenge
by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho inhey guys,.
i've been trying hard to locate a comment that was posted no longer than a few weeks ago (if that) by a poster providing a challenge for witnesses to find one scripture that states that we are still saved/have hope if we are outside of this "new covenant" that wt claims is for the 144,000 only.
the thread was to do with ways we can wake up a loved one and this particular poster (i can't remember who) gave a step-by-step guide to helping witnesses waking up using their own bible and doctrine.
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Hey @days of future passed, that's exactly what I've been doing the last few days. And with no such luck :(. It's honestly doing my head in. I really appreciate your time in chipping in to help me. Thank you.